If I Get the Ateonarch Stone Before I Become a Necromage Vampire Can I Just Get It Again?

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I know this was discussed in passing elsewhere, only I am not certain if a general consensus was accomplished. Many sites describe the Atronach stone as blocking 50% of all magic attacks, but they translate this differently. Some draw information technology such that, in every assail, 50% of the magic set on is neutralized. Others state that the entire attack is neutralized in a random 50% of the attacks. While in the long run both reduce the event by l%, clearly these pb to quite different outcomes. The latter is similar the statistician who drowns wading across a river that is only five feet deep on boilerplate.
Obviously I am too lazy to go alee and run a series of tests so, if you have the definitive answer, I would like to hear from you.
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Howdy good sir. I like to recall of myself equally an "unofficial expert" in the field. I take tested this, and come to the conclusion that it is an "all or nil" issue.
The Atronach Stone provides a fifty% adventure to either completely absorb a magic effect, or do nothing to it. For an easy example, nosotros can consider a magic attack of 100 burn down damage. The Atronach Stone has a l% chance to absorb ALL of the damage, and a 50% gamble to do nothing. This means sometimes you accept 100 damage, and sometimes you take 0 damage.

The Atronach stone is one of only iii powers that has the absorb magic effect. The others beingness the Atronach perk (100 Alteration) and the Breton sixty second daily ability. Magic Absorption does non have a cap, so you can take this to 100% by using the Atronach rock and being a Breton and activating your daily ability. Y'all can as well exercise information technology every bit any race with a Necromage Vampire permanently. At 100%, you will never receive a disease, never have any harm from whatsoever class of magic, including poisons, dragon jiff, vampire's life bleed, spriggan'due south bug attack, etc.

If you have whatsoever questions feel free to ask!

EDIT: Everything on the UESP wiki is correct. Skyrim:Spell Absorption - UESPWiki
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Thank you, that is articulate. Non the respond I had hoped for though: I would rather be sure of l% than take a chance on 100%.
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Ane of my favorite stones. Using it now with my vampire.
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Actually as of the engagement yous posted that link everything in that UESP article was not correct.
If you looked in the notes someone changed the annotation on the effect of the 100% absorb consequence to merits that as of update i.seven.7.0.6 at that place was an 85% cap on the amount of damage that could be absorbed, but that person'due south testing methodology was flawed and thus so was his or her conclusion. I tested the outcome using a more reliable methodology to confirm there'due south no alter to the mechanic as of update 1.7.7.0.half-dozen. Spell Absorption continues to work equally you lot described with a 100% value arresting all damage, and the commodity'southward notes accept been revised accordingly.
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Ah! Give thanks you lot Dagmar, the truth shall set us free!!!
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I'd like to know what methodology you used, delight explain in item, and if it was on pc or console, bc on iii of my characters, (on Xbox) all of which are vampires due west the appropriate perks necromage an atronach, along with the atronach stone, I've went to the alftand ruined tower (not a marked location but northwest of the entrance to alftand glacier) and at the lesser at that place is a fire trap that stays on until deactivated, well? Assuming information technology provides 100% absorption I wouldn't take whatsoever damage from the trap at all, only this is not what occurred, where as I DID absorb the bulk of it, occasionally my health bar would prove up and I was taking damage, and then I believe the 85% absorption upshot is right, too I believe that you lot misquoted when saying there was "a 85% cap on the amount of impairment that could exist captivated" bc spell absorption simply doesn't work that way, it'due south a 85% cap for a chance to absorb all of the damage, meaning only a 15% chance of failure exists for a full negation...I believe I can post videos from mobile if needed to show evidence of it not working at the 100% it'southward idea to be...only will have to be later due to the fact that I'm at work lol
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I practise apologize and mean no law-breaking, just I could merits that eating 100 sweet rolls while continuing in white run town square naked makes you invincible and unlocks all shouts n spells and gives you all the armor n weapons in game in the chest in breezehome...and say, " I've tested it due north it works"
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This is from dorsum in May, so it isn't very current, but it is what I did to exam. I believe the problem you are experiencing is coming from yous taking the Atronach perk before you became a Vampire and took the Necromage perk? If that'southward the case, y'all'd only take 92.5% absorption.

Dagmar and I are both on PC, so nosotros can use the console to our advantage when testing. She has been testing game mechanics and confirming/denying rumors for a long time, I believe she'southward the nearly factually authentic person on the forum. It's definitely adept to enquire for her methodology to be sure and to understand, but I also trust that everything she says is correct.

Perchance at that place'southward likewise a bug with the burn down trap where you absorb all the straight damage and then terminate upwards taking some of the damage over time that is a bonus to burn impairment. Perchance it'southward merely that particular trap, did you exam your 100% assimilation on any other methods of damage as well and find similar discrepancies?
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I've tested dragon jiff, fire trap, random mages, etc etc...and on each grapheme I've been a vampire at level 2, since finding out about the exploit itself that's the first thing I practise, either to haemars shame, or the camp north westward of rorikstead due to the farming on the way in that location, I personally think that becoming a vampire early game is virtually the best option y'all can have, considering you rarely venture outside of "dungeons" for questing the drawbacks are nearly not real...I don't have the benefit of being able to pull up damage calculations or seeing them in action, I can but practise "physical" testing and draw my conclusions in that location...just trust me, I commonly cheque, double check, and triple check everything prior to conclusion making...and I'k sure yous guys do too, but yep, vampirism is my first priority and is in identify well before I'm able to take those perks, and yes fifty-fifty then much every bit to have the stone and atronach perk prior to necromage and so information technology improved existing effects, as such information technology won't consequence them if acquired prior to having the rock northward perk...
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...I as well know there are sure items in game like the archmage robes that don't get the benefit of necromage regardless of how it's layered information technology never provides more than a 15% school reduction...
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Lamentable for multi posts, merely yes, on console I've tested the affair both earlier and afterward and changing up the order of doing so to attempt different results just haven't been able to proceeds anything more than...since I have admission to Xbox live correct now il delete my game patches and endeavor it on vanilla, prior to patching and see if it works...
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On a side annotation...

Kimbo Slice, (if y'all don't know who that is, google it lol) but an Orc, gloves/band w pugilist enchant w atronach rock due north perk, armor capped and can fisticuffs a legendary dragon (although taking nearly 10 minutes for the fight ~_~) lol
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If yous don't take the perks in the right order you won't get 100 percent Spell Absorption using the exploit. You have to become a Vampire and accept the Necromage perk prior to taking the Atronach perk
My methodology is posted on the Discussion folio to the article on Spell Absorption at the UESP . You can also see one of the ten test runs posted on youtube:

Regardless of whether yous believe it's 85% of all spells absorbed or 85% of all spell damage my graphic symbol took zero damage with hit after hit of fire destruction magic spells from x Pyromancers in 600 seconds of test runs without 1 betoken of damage. Statistically speaking she should have taken at least a petty damage during the serial of tests if the 85% assertion was correct. She didn't which means that 100% Spell Absorption absorbs spells 100% of the fourth dimension.
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Besides that link you sent me, either your "Cameron j h" or a user named "loftedaphid86" or "amsuko"...which any of is fine, but amsuko asked a question, aphid (which if I had to guess I'd say it was you due to similar give-and-take usage) and cameron made a small-scale but decent contribution to the subject simply had to do due west summon vs reanimate...every other post on that page yous linked that ha anything to do with this convo was "unsigned" or "anonymous" which anyone could claim to be thier own posts...lol not saying y'all didn't mail service them, but without a definite way to tell its y'all that posted it it doesn't help your bespeak by linking it under "your" give-and-take...and to be honest, I have a hard fourth dimension with pc versions of skyrim "testing" things...simply bc, I myself have never messed with creation kit or skyrim or pc, just I practise know the capabilities of the kit and the manipulation of gameplay available through the pc version...and non saying you did, but give me 2 days to become a feel for the kit and I could set up a in game scenario that proves my other argument in a separate post about eating 100 sugariness rolls to achieve ultimate ability and all items bc of how it effects gameplay...yous could easily create 10 npc pyromancers that fire incinerates that only bargain one pt of burn damage OR that take no base damage at all...and likewise gear up the panel commands so when you type to spawn that specific sprite is brought in...therefore the only way to exam appropriately would be to get the least tainted scenario bachelor which is the console version of the game bc Bethesda has no straight modding bachelor for information technology practice information technology would be the truest way to exam those theories bc y'all have to abide past the preset weather in the game instead of creating your own...your testing in a controlled environment instead of a standard environment meaning your results can exist literally anything yous want, yous could set the damage values so that they one shot y'all and make the Absorption effect have a 0% effect and still have it display your desired numbers...manipulations of the software is all that's needed...you lot CAN modern Xbox versions of the game using a salvage and a USB, but no fashion to create specific weather even then bc you deceit "spawn" your subjects in the panel version...like I said, non saying you went to that trouble to do it, merely proving your bespeak with a easily manipulated environment is a flawed situation from the start...
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Yeah, the percentage of Spell absorbtion are the odds that the spell, or other issue will be absorbed. You can also stack it with the Atronach Perk (In Alteration) to raise your odds to 80%, or the Breton Dragonskin daily power for a temporary 100%, which can be and so driveling for powering destruction. (Zero survives 60 seconds of Lightning Storm, except Storm Atronachs.) Note, this is ANY magic upshot that targets the Dovakiin in the code, Fire, Shock, Frost, Toxicant Affliction, the AoE from a Circle of Protection (Which can sustain Lightning Storm indefinitely with the right perks) and unfortunately summons. Nonetheless, if you happen to detect a staff of the Storm Atronach on the shelf in your new apartment, you lot can fifty-fifty apply that as a Magicka source for spells in the other hand, with plenty Spell Absorbtion. In curt, information technology's a gamebreaker if you know how to use it, and gets around all that mucking virtually with Enchantment. This is how I defeated Alduin in under a minute on master wearing nothing but a loincloth.
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Spell absorb simply works 100% of the time once a day if you're a Breton. The only way you lot can get 100% otherwise is past using an exploit and I don't consider that to be any more of a valid build than using the Fortify Restoration Potion exploit to make weapons that do 20,0000 impairment or gauntlets that requite you lot 667 armor rating. For whatever build I consider legitimate, information technology'southward a 1 trick pony locked to a single race.
All my content is signed, DagmarH. Your problems viewing and referencing UESP content properly may have to do with your reliance on a handheld device. Further, the notion that something is less reliable simply considering it'due south "bearding" isn't logical. Most comments are anonymous regardless of whether they accept an account proper name next to them or not as anyone can go a UESP account. The value and validity of comments stand up on their own merits, not on authorship attributed to an equally anonymous business relationship name.
The whole point of using references to the CK and console is that they can be independently verified past anyone else with a PC when the methodology is clear. The console and CK also provides for a level of accuracy nearly game mechanics that you simply can't go anywhere else in the player customs. Independently verifiable information is the principal footing for the overwhelming majority of the content of the UESP (and cognition in general). This is why the overwhelming majority of content on the UESP regarding game mechanics comes from PC players. If yous want to attach to a bizzare belief that at that place is some kind of conspiracy run by an Elder Scrolls PC Player Illuminati to deceive game console users that's your prerogative, but nearly players prefer to take advantage of the independently verifiable noesis offered by PC players that post here and on resources like UESP.

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Ward Absorb is simply 20% Spell Absorbtion, and doesn't piece of work on every bit many effects. It's also high drain, and takes up a hand, and then you lot can't keep it up constatntly. However, this can exist the last little fleck to make not-Bretons 100% in certain instances, such every bit Dragon assail (Cue Bassline) Stacked with the Atronach Stone, and Perk. I usually go with Purple for this build, considering Restoration is such a wearisome leveler, and Spellbreaker is a nice addition. Also, a Ward, or Spellbreaker's effect blocks All directional magic (From the front, and a little to the sides) the Spell Absorbtion just makes it so you lot become the magicka from it as well. I phone call this an Absorbtion Mage, (since it'due south purely defensive for players who don't then use the Magicka to ability spells.) and actually prefer it to the usual glitch of 100% Fortify School enchantments.
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